Thursday, June 15, 2017

Elektra and Batgirl




The success of Wonder Woman bodes very well for Joss Whedon's upcoming Batgirl movie.  As with WW, Batgirl's popularity extends through comic book, animation and live action incarnations, inspiring generations of fans.  I think a Barbara Gordon movie could strike the same kind of nerve with audiences that the Amazonian Princess' did.



20 comments:

Glenn Host said...

It will be an especially strong movie with his reputation of creating, writing and directing strong women parts. Hopefully in will be without the angst although a modified cliff hanger with movie ending with Killing Joke would be good.

Anonymous said...

I would prefer a complete lack of "Killing Joke" references/adaptations. To me, that was DC's second biggest mistake after COIE.

Chris Lawton said...

Agreed.

Bob Greenwade said...

I disagree with Anonymous and (I assume) Chris, at least as far as a complete lack of "Killing Joke." I'm fine with having no reference to it in this first Batgirl movie, but the story was what led to her transformation into Oracle, one of the most inspirational characters in comics, particularly for the physically disabled.

As to this cover, Ross, I think this is among your best. Given your text, I would have expected a Batgirl/Wonder Woman team-up, but then we wouldn't have seen this. I can't even tell which (if either) heroine was facing the swordsman in the original art; it completely looks like a unit piece, drawn as shown. Even the positioning of the Dark Duo is almost perfectly balanced (I'd prefer to see them moved to the right just a little, but that's just me).

Ross said...

Bob, Batman was facing the swordsmen in a Dustin Nguyen image.

Paul Schilling said...

Not bad Ross you'll not only hit STF #1900 in about ten days but will hit #2000 about a month and a half before DC reaches #2000... Congratulations

Ross said...

DC reaches 2000 on what? 1900 is ready to go and It's one of my favorite covers I have ever made. Hopefully folks will like it.

Cary Comic said...

@Bob Greenwade: I have to agree with Anon and Chris. Making Babs a paraplegic was really just for gratuitous shock value and sales boosting, for the most part. Creating an inspirational role model for the physically handicapped? Merely a post-facto rationalization.

But, if DC Films goes ahead with the wheelchair-bound cybernetics genius, anyway, then I hope they at least moderate the on-screen depiction of the incident. Like, the Joker broadsiding her motor scooter on her way to work (or something equally less graphic by comparison).

Scott Cummins said...

DC had all but given up on Batgirl before COIE. In fact she was one of the characters given to Wolfman to kill in COIE. She was written off after Killing Joke and it was only because of the Ostrainders that she returned to prominence in the DC universe. While I was hesitant to accepted her back as Batgirl during Nu52 Gail did a good job with her but after she left the character turned to crap again. She is a little better in the new series but it is still not Batgirl as she should be.

Bob Greenwade said...

@Cary - Yes, it was all after-the-fact, what-do-we-do-with-her-now writing that made her into Oracle, a character that I found both inspirational (even with only minor mobility problems) and intriguing. The incident with Joker was for shock value, aimed not only at the readership but also at Babs' father (as was practically everything Joker did in that story). That doesn't take away the fact that, as Oracle, Babs was inspirational and intriguing.

I understand that I'm probably part of a relatively small minority of fans that is mostly made up of paraplegics themselves. Still, I'd feel encouraged if we were to see some early hints at the movie version being a computer (not cybernetics) whiz.

Sonofjack Well said...

Regarding Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/Oracle...

Keep in mind that the character was originally created as a way to hopefully prop up sagging ratings for the Adam West Batman TV show.... The creators at DC took what they essentially were stuck with and made her into a compelling character in her own right which is a testament to the talented creators at DC comics.

Looking back however, it seems clear that when she was first elected to Congress in the early 70s that DC effectively intended to retire the character. Perhaps their thinking was that the character had served its purpose and had simply run her course. Fortunately the Barbara Gordon version of Batgirl was revived with a pair of team-ups with Superman in the mid-70s (favorites of mine in at the time). Then she did a series of team-ups with Robin in Batman Family (also favorites of mine). However, despite making guest appearances here and there, she never really rose above the level of supporting player--not that there's anything wrong with that. Stories need compelling supporting characters.

When The Killing Joke came along, the powers that be at DC comics felt that the character was so unimportant that she could basically be tossed away as a plot point for a prestige project. At the time, I felt that it was out of character for someone who had shown Barbara's competence in the past to be taken out so easily. I have to agree that it struck me as something done mostly for shock value and was sort of a waste. However, I admit that I didn't think of it as a great loss of a character with great potential.

Then along came Kim Yale and John Ostrander and their transformation of Barbara into Oracle. Once again, talented creators took what they were stuck with a created a compelling character. In my opinion, they transformed Barbara Gordon into a much more unique and compelling character. She went from being a female version of Batman which wasn't even an original idea when she debuted in 1967 and became a superheroic librarian who turned her ability to access information better than anyone else into her "superpower". Talk about "knowledge is power".... Amazing!

While I sympathies with those readers who preferred the "old" Barbara in her Batgirl identity, I reject the argument that Batgirl is a more interesting, original or even heroic character than Oracle. By restoring Barbara Gordon to her Batgirl persona, DC has destroyed a unique and interesting character (Oracle) in favor for another female version of Batman. I fail to see how this is an improvement.

Cary Comic said...

@BG: po-tay-to/po-tah-to.

@Sonofjack: Not so much an improvement as a refreshing (and long overdue) reboot.

Sonofjack Well said...

Cary Comic, I'm not sure why you consider the transformation of Barbara Gordon from a wholly unique and interesting character (not to mention a role model for people with mobility issues) like Oracle BACK into a spandex wearing female version of Batman either "refreshing" or "long overdue" since there are at least five other characters that fit that description that I can think of off the top of my head. However, that's okay. Your feelings are your feelings, and you are not required to justify them to me or anyone else.

By the same token, Bob Greenwade and I have expressed our preference for Oracle. Why do you feel the need to challenge that? Do you think that you are going to change our minds? Does it bother you that much that we disagree with you? You've already expressed your preference. We get it. I did not direct any of my earlier comments towards you. Kindly show me that same courtesy.

Anonymous said...

@Sonofajck: I've dealt with idiots like Carycomic before. Trust me! You can never out-stubborn them. And when they goad you into prolonging an arguement, they win and the rest of us lose.

So, just humor the idiot and let him have the last word!

Mateus Honrado said...

Killing Joke? Heck no.

Cary Comic said...

Amen, Mateus, Amen!

Simreeve said...

I've just read Adventure Comics #495, in which a rather young Babs (at 'summer camp' in Smallville during Superboy's time of residence there) briefly acquired superhuman powers, and used the name of 'Mighty Girl'.
Fun!

Mateus Honrado said...

Hm, I wouldn't say that Crisis on Infinite Earth was DC's biggest mistake. Their biggest mistake was the New 52.

Mateus Honrado said...

But I'm not against her as Oracle, though not having her being paralysed by the Joker.

Anonymous said...

@Mateus: I'll go so far as to say it was their 3rd biggest mistake. And that they, at least, had good intentions with "Flashpoint." But, that's a very grudging concession!

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